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== Perkin Elmer/Boller & Chivens 20" | == Perkin Elmer/Boller & Chivens 20" F5 primary telescope mirror == | ||
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Regarding the mirror... It came from a former NASA facility that excessed it along with the Unertyl mount. There are no specific numbers on any part of the mirror or its heavy circular housing. I was able to determine that it was made by Perkin Elmer/Boller & Chivens from the original government sheets. No additional information such as a model or serial number was provided by NASA. The Unertyl mount is intended to allow X-Y positioning of the mirror while holding it securely on an optical bench (for optical calibration??). I am assuming this mirror to be parabolic due to the fact it was intended to the best of my knowledge to ultimately be used in a telescope.<br><br> | Regarding the mirror... It came from a former NASA facility that excessed it along with the Unertyl mount. There are no specific numbers on any part of the mirror or its heavy circular housing. I was able to determine that it was made by Perkin Elmer/Boller & Chivens from the original government sheets. No additional information such as a model or serial number was provided by NASA. The Unertyl mount is intended to allow X-Y positioning of the mirror while holding it securely on an optical bench (for optical calibration??). I am assuming this mirror to be parabolic due to the fact it was intended to the best of my knowledge to ultimately be used in a telescope.<br><br> | ||
I see from your website that you sell Pyrex glass telescope primary mirrors. Please let me know if you can use one Perkin Elmer/Boller & Chivens 20" Pyrex F8 front coated telescope mirror I have for sale (turns out to be 4" thick rather than 7" as shown in the pictures). I also have available one optical bench mounted variable X-Y positioner for this mirror custom manufactured by John Unertl (Model YMM-C). Four pictures are attached.... Thanks. | |||
== My Deductions == | == My Deductions == | ||
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The central hole appears to be about 4 inches in diameter. Boller and Chivens was a telescope company that was bought by Perkin Elmer is my conclusion and they made optical telescopes and some spectrographic instruments. The mirror figure is either suitable for a human viewing telescope or a schmidt camera. The curvature implies human use. | The central hole appears to be about 4 inches in diameter. Boller and Chivens was a telescope company that was bought by Perkin Elmer is my conclusion and they made optical telescopes and some spectrographic instruments. The mirror figure is either suitable for a human viewing telescope or a schmidt camera. The curvature implies human use. | ||
== Notes == | |||
*[http://www.clausing.com www.clausing.com] | |||
*Clausing quotes at 500 USD + return shipping for re-coating | |||
*John came back with a figure of 0.25 inches for the sagitta of this mirror | |||
*[http://www.stellafane.com/atm/atm_select_scope/atm_sag2fl_calc.htm Online Sagitta Calculator]<br><br> | |||
*[http://www.spectrum-coatings.com http://www.spectrum-coatings.com] - 11 dollars per inch = 220 USD for entire mirror - This seems to be a better process that is more modern than Clausings. | |||
== Engineering Notes == | |||
*[mailto:melockwo@uiuc.edu melockwo@uiuc.edu] | |||
*Mike Lockwood - Illinois He can check your mirror and fix anything that is wrong. He can also make the corrector or secondary. He is a mirror/optics god. Contact Mike, he is a good bud, great guy to work with. He wants to be our mirror guy so let him know you is the dude with the casting stuff. | |||
[[Optics-Talk-With-MikeL]] | |||
== | == Spectrum Coatings == | ||
Address: | |||
*1165 Ring St. | |||
*Deltona, FL 32725 | |||
*Phone: (386) 789-6662 | |||
*Contact Person: Paul Zacharias | |||
== Inputs Value == | |||
*Sagitta ==== 0.25 inches | |||
*Diameter ==== 20 inches | |||
== Mirror Parameters == | |||
*ROC ==== 200 inches | |||
*Focal Length (F) = R / 2 ==== 100 inches | |||
*Focal Ratio (f) = F / D ==== 5X | |||
== Freight Costs == | |||
'''As quoted on the phone by Yellow Freight''' | |||
*class 65 item # 86730-1 | |||
*general cost = ~ 380 | |||
*Quote number= 30217017<br><br> | |||
'''As quoted online by UPS''' | |||
*UPS Ground Billable Weight: 150.0 lbs. === 120 USD* | |||
== Weight Calculation == | |||
*r=10*2.54 = 25.4 cm | |||
*t=4*2.54 =10 cm | |||
*vol=3.14 * r^2 * t <br><br> | |||
*mass= vol * 2.33g/cm^3 => 47 kg | |||
<br> | |||
weight(lbs)( assuming 4 inch thickness) = 2.2 * 47 = 105 lbs | |||
[[Media:MirrorWeightCalculation.mcd]] | |||
[[Media:MirrorWeight.ogg]] | |||
== Box Size Estimate == | |||
UPS uses a dimensional limit as follows: <br><br> | |||
L + Girth <= 165 inches <br><br> | |||
Assuming a box 36 X 36 X 16 inches:<br><br> | |||
36 + 2*(36 + 16)=140 inches. <br><br> | |||
This is well within the UPS limit | |||
*[http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/prepare/dimweight2007.html UPS Dimensional Weight] | |||
== Conclusions == | |||
* | *Since the mirror is an F/5 it probably requires a corrector plate | ||
* | *Since it has a hole in the middle the tube length would be on the order of 50 inches or about 4 feet. This is very short for such a large aperture. Very desirable I would guess for this reason. Sub-Reflector will not be a flat. | ||
*I will need to get access to a knife edge tester to test this mirror. Without figure data the mirror sell price will be much lower than otherwise possible. | |||
Latest revision as of 11:32, 9 March 2007
Perkin Elmer/Boller & Chivens 20" F5 primary telescope mirror[edit]
Per John Urciolo[edit]
Regarding the mirror... It came from a former NASA facility that excessed it along with the Unertyl mount. There are no specific numbers on any part of the mirror or its heavy circular housing. I was able to determine that it was made by Perkin Elmer/Boller & Chivens from the original government sheets. No additional information such as a model or serial number was provided by NASA. The Unertyl mount is intended to allow X-Y positioning of the mirror while holding it securely on an optical bench (for optical calibration??). I am assuming this mirror to be parabolic due to the fact it was intended to the best of my knowledge to ultimately be used in a telescope.
I see from your website that you sell Pyrex glass telescope primary mirrors. Please let me know if you can use one Perkin Elmer/Boller & Chivens 20" Pyrex F8 front coated telescope mirror I have for sale (turns out to be 4" thick rather than 7" as shown in the pictures). I also have available one optical bench mounted variable X-Y positioner for this mirror custom manufactured by John Unertl (Model YMM-C). Four pictures are attached.... Thanks.
My Deductions[edit]
The central hole appears to be about 4 inches in diameter. Boller and Chivens was a telescope company that was bought by Perkin Elmer is my conclusion and they made optical telescopes and some spectrographic instruments. The mirror figure is either suitable for a human viewing telescope or a schmidt camera. The curvature implies human use.
Notes[edit]
- www.clausing.com
- Clausing quotes at 500 USD + return shipping for re-coating
- John came back with a figure of 0.25 inches for the sagitta of this mirror
- Online Sagitta Calculator
- http://www.spectrum-coatings.com - 11 dollars per inch = 220 USD for entire mirror - This seems to be a better process that is more modern than Clausings.
Engineering Notes[edit]
- melockwo@uiuc.edu
- Mike Lockwood - Illinois He can check your mirror and fix anything that is wrong. He can also make the corrector or secondary. He is a mirror/optics god. Contact Mike, he is a good bud, great guy to work with. He wants to be our mirror guy so let him know you is the dude with the casting stuff.
Spectrum Coatings[edit]
Address:
- 1165 Ring St.
- Deltona, FL 32725
- Phone: (386) 789-6662
- Contact Person: Paul Zacharias
Inputs Value[edit]
- Sagitta ==== 0.25 inches
- Diameter ==== 20 inches
Mirror Parameters[edit]
- ROC ==== 200 inches
- Focal Length (F) = R / 2 ==== 100 inches
- Focal Ratio (f) = F / D ==== 5X
Freight Costs[edit]
As quoted on the phone by Yellow Freight
- class 65 item # 86730-1
- general cost = ~ 380
- Quote number= 30217017
As quoted online by UPS
- UPS Ground Billable Weight: 150.0 lbs. === 120 USD*
Weight Calculation[edit]
- r=10*2.54 = 25.4 cm
- t=4*2.54 =10 cm
- vol=3.14 * r^2 * t
- mass= vol * 2.33g/cm^3 => 47 kg
weight(lbs)( assuming 4 inch thickness) = 2.2 * 47 = 105 lbs
Media:MirrorWeightCalculation.mcd Media:MirrorWeight.ogg
Box Size Estimate[edit]
UPS uses a dimensional limit as follows:
L + Girth <= 165 inches
Assuming a box 36 X 36 X 16 inches:
36 + 2*(36 + 16)=140 inches.
This is well within the UPS limit
Conclusions[edit]
- Since the mirror is an F/5 it probably requires a corrector plate
- Since it has a hole in the middle the tube length would be on the order of 50 inches or about 4 feet. This is very short for such a large aperture. Very desirable I would guess for this reason. Sub-Reflector will not be a flat.
- I will need to get access to a knife edge tester to test this mirror. Without figure data the mirror sell price will be much lower than otherwise possible.